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jeff, you have a lunatic, well done ;)

@murdeRED dreams GrandWizardOfZOG
> jeff, you have a lunatic, well done ;)

Said somebody who calls himself Zionist:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2002/12/23/51-documents/

I have to side with @ivan zlax on this one.....

no one can prove "vaccines work". What does that even mean? cuz I got a whole shipload of boatmen that prove otherwise. Along with a public school, a bunch of 'vaccinated' individuals, even entire countries with 99% compliance are having issues. But I'm sure there's nothing to it- vaccines work, right? except when they don't, maybe?

unless, of course, the CDC or the navy, or public schools, or China is peddling fake science.... (maybe put them on your lunatic list?). Anyway, good luck with your 'science', Jeff.....

@Mudflap
> no one can prove "vaccines work". What does that even mean?

It works well for depopulation and sterilization of the population of Third Worlds countries, as Bill Gates directly said it on Ted.

Proofs:
Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Mon, 02 Sep 2019 16:51:08 +0300
Although mildly bad stuff does, even if rarely.
Not rarely:
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/58/9/1205/2895266
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-10-syria-vaccine-deaths-ngo.html
https://www.unn.com.ua/uk/news/1264405-v-ukrayini-vid-koreyskoyi-vaktsini-proti-gepatitu-v-pomerla-lyudina
http://www.aloqada.com/m/news/2012/10/04/vetsluzhba_uzbekistana_vakcina_vyzvavshaya_padezh_skota_v_kirgizii_byla_vvezena_iz_kazakhstana
http://www.trud.ru/article/10-02-2009/221943_mladentsa_ubila_privivka.html
https://belaruspartisan.by/life/436298/
https://dumskaya.net/news/pogib-rebenok-017794/
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2175836/chinese-boy-dies-after-being-given-mmr-vaccine
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/07/samoa-mmr-vaccine-death-mother-wants-answers-after-tragedy.html
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/mr-vaccine-autopsy-not-done-kin-cry-foul/585494.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/philippines-dengue-fever-vaccine-children-immunisation-dengvaxia-sanofi-pasteur-a8088561.html

BigPharma works in purpose to hide it, so mass consumer see 'rarely of it': https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-anti-vaccine-crack-down/

Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:32:17 +0300

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2665354
Vaccines are under development for the control of fertility in males and females. This review discusses developments in anti-fertility vaccines at the National Institute of Immunology, New Delhi, India. A single injection procedure for the sterilization or castration of male animals depending on the site at which the injection is given, has passed through field testing and is expected to be on the market in the near future. Vaccines inducing antibodies against the human chorionic gonadotropin have gone through phase I trials with satisfactory results. A vaccine producing a consistently bioeffective antibody response against gonadotropin-releasing hormone is ready for phase I/II clinical trials in patients of carcinoma of prostate after due experimentation in animals and toxicology studies. Research to identify sperm antigens for incorporation into second generation vaccines is in progress.


Only supporters of the depopulation (f.e. ideology of "Golden Billion") promote this kind of Western "healthcare" activity.

+1 @ivan zlax.
1.4B +2 lunatics, still fishing
there. fixed it for ya. you're welcome.

Ah yes the Ivan Zalax troll

mudflap can be very entertaining too
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but i am sure, we can do better, 2 is not enough ;)

@Christoph S
Ah yes the Ivan Zalax troll
It is you are the troll. I am not.

I ready to answer for any of my words. I do not hide my real identity. Why you are called me troll?

Because you are the collaborator of this guys regarding vaccination?



Or because you try to promote Western neocolonialism regarding Kyoto Protocol promotion?
Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:29:31 +0300

Earlier, the West used this colonial manipulation immediately after the collapse of the USSR:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
The consequences of this treaty: Western Europe has outsourced its harmful and environmentally unfriendly production to the East.
http://www.bloha.info/view/articles/1011642/
After the report on the state and environmental protection of the Russian Federation, Yasnaya Polyana was included in the list of settlements most affected by air pollution with various harmful substances.
Shchekinoazot, which is known to produce urea-formaldehyde concentrate, was concerned about pollution data that appeared in the media.
According to some reports, the degree of air pollution with formaldehyde in Yasnaya Polyana has exceeded 20 times the limit of its maximum permissible concentration.
Yasnaya Polyana is the place where i was born. This example from my personal experience.
The USA advertised this Kyoto protocol most of all and was its initiator, but as a result the USA declined ratification of it, because the US scientists demonstrated to public that there are no scientific justifications for this:
http://www.petitionproject.org/


The next year, this treaty expires, the term of the Western artificial limitation of the industrial development of developing countries under the guise of "caring for nature" ends (i hope my example about farmaldehyde in Yasnaya Polyana clearly showed how the West takes care of its ecology). It seems that the next stage of this neocolonial undertaking is being prepared.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1100990/kyoto-protocol-extended-2020-fight-climate-change
Kyoto Protocol extended to 2020 to fight climate change
Published: 12:00am, 9 Dec, 2012
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According to independent researchers, the Rockefeller family took a major part in lobbying the Kyoto Protocol:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/rockefeller-familys-covert-climate-change-plan/5678775
What is important, however, is to acknowledge the role of the Rockefeller family –which historically was the architect of “Big Oil”– in supporting the Climate Change debate as well as the funding of scientists, environmentalists and NGOs involved in grassroots activism against “Big Oil” and the fossil fuel industry.
Apparently, many Western youth environmental initiatives, widely covered by the media, are also not without the support of the Rockefeller charitable organizations, since their activities began to be covered just before the deadline for the Kyoto Protocol. The materials of independent researchers confirm this:
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01/17/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-political-economy-of-the-non-profit-industrial-complex/
https://reason.com/2015/10/30/why-third-world-countries-wont-agree-to
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/05/06/extinction-rebellion-training-or-how-to-control-radical-resistance-from-the-obstructive-left/

The US Congress deprived the Rockefeller family of profits from oil production. Therefore, they acquired deposits of rare earth elements in the Western colonies. Rare earth elements are necessary for the functioning of renewable energy sources, for which this environmental campaign was started. Most of the resources needed for renewable energy are concentrated in Africa. Often, child slave labor is used in mines, so that progressive Western consumers can refuse coal and oil in favor of "clean" energy.

https://grist.org/article/report-going-100-renewable-power-means-a-lot-of-dirty-mining/
http://theconversation.com/fairtrade-renewable-energy-shedding-light-on-clean-energys-dirty-secrets-100263
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226210/energy-renewables-materials-mining-environment-neodymium-copper-lithium-cobalt
Last year, 70 percent of the world’s cobalt came from the DRC, a country that has been a target of widespread criticism for its labor practices, such as using children as young as six to work in cobalt mines.


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Please explain if you are responsible for your words.

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@Mudflap so i will say about evolution. As the great ape evolutionist:

> Evolution is a Fact

Yes. Evolution, but not Darwinism:
Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:39:43 +0300

basis of conquest/colonial/capitalist pr
Conquest, Colonialism, Сapitalism are all collective forms of interaction between one group of people and another. Such forms of group interaction become available due to the organization and collective actions of many different people with different interests, when they start to act for a common goal (family, tribal, class etc.)
A common language is not enough for the success of such collective forms of activity; such forms of domination of some people over others meet with natural counteraction. A common social philosophy or ideology is required to justify the advantages of some groups over others. Thanks to the introduction of the Prussian educational standard of education in most civilized countries of the world, the social philosophy of Darwinism has been instilled for several generations already, through a 10-year regime from bell to bell during puberty. Various national and class theories of social Darwinism boil down to the fact that they proclaim struggle for existence, natural selection (survival of the fittest) and competition as the most important factors of evolution.
The postulates of social Darwinism are well grounded in the social sciences. But Darwinism itself was initially poorly grounded in the natural sciences and even rejected by academies, after confirmation of Gregor Johann Mendel's discoveries about genetic inheritance. In order to preserve the authority of Darwinism and its influence on the social sciences, academicians developed a synthetic theory of evolution. It is extremely important for the academic community to maintain this dilapidated evolutionary foundation, since all academicians without exception are fittest in the competition for academic titles, and the academic hierarchy is based on Social Darwinism.
But meanwhile, the evolutionary model of Kropotkin has long been known in the non-academic natural-scientific scholar community: Mutual Aid - A Factor of Evolution. This evolutionary theory, published 117 years ago, is well grounded, threre are many examples of stable and thriving populations prone to intraspecific and, especially, interspecific mutual aid. Animal and human examples demonstrate the advantages of mutual aid over primitive natural selection (at the time of publication, Darwinism had not yet been disproved by discoveries in the field of inheritance):
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid_a_Factor_of_Evolution
Although Social Kropotkinism potentially level out academic, national and other authorities based on Social Darwinism, Kropotkin's very model of evolution is the most scientifically sound theoretical basis for describing current biological diversity.

Завоевания, колониализм, капитализм – всё это коллективные формы взаимодействия между одной группой людей и другой. Подобные формы группового взаимодействия становятся доступны благодаря организации и коллективным действиям множества различных людей с разными интересами, когда они начинают действовать ради общих целей (семейной, племенной, классовой и т.п.)
Общего языка для успеха таких коллективных форм деятельности недостаточно, подобные формы доминирования одних людей над другими встречают естественное противодействие. Требуется общая социальная философия или идеология, для того, чтобы обосновывать преимущества одних групп людей над другими. Благодаря введению Прусского образовательного стандарта обучения в большинстве цивилизованных государств планеты, уже нескольким поколениям привита социальная философия дарвинизма, посредством 10-летнего режима от звонка до звонка во время полового созревания. Различные национальные и классовые теории социального дарвинизма, сводятся к тому, что объявляют борьбу за существование, естественный отбор (выживание сильнейших), конкуренцию – важнейшими факторами эволюции.
Постулаты социал-дарвинизма хорошо обоснованы социальными науками. Но сам дарвинизм изначально был плохо обоснован и даже отвергнут академической естественной наукой, после подтверждения открытий Грегора Иоганн Менделя о генетической наследственности. Для сохранения авторитета дарвинизма и его влияния на социальные науки академиками была разработана синтетическая теория эволюции. Для академического сообщества крайне важно поддерживать этот ветхий эволюционный фундамент, ведь все без исключения академики – это сильнейшие в конкурентной борьбе за академические звания, академическая иерархия основана на социал-дарвинизме.
Но между тем, в неакадемической естественно-научной среде давно известна эволюционная модель Кропоткина: взаимная помощь как фактор эволюции. Эта эволюционная теория, опубликованная 117 лет назад, хорошо обоснована, перечислено множество примеров устойчивых и процветающих популяций склонных к внутривидовой и особенно межвидовой взаимной помощи. На примерах животных и людей демонстрируются преимущества взаимопомощи, перед примитивным естественным отбором (во время публикации дарвинизм ещё не был опровергнутой открытиями в области наследственности):
https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Взаимная_помощь_как_фактор_эволюции_(Кропоткин_1907)
Несмотря на то, что социал-кропоткинизм потенциально нивелирует академические, национальные и прочие авторитеты, основанные на социал-дарвинизме, сама же модель эволюции Кропоткина – это наиболее научно обоснованный теоретический фундамент для описания нынешнего биологического разнообразия.

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Block and DELETE the Troll!!

@Kenny Chaffin irresponsibility and censorship is your privileges.

You only ready to promote your inherited neocolonial privileges, but not ready to be responsible for it.

Alligators, crocs, sharks and piranha!! :)

More like the other way round. The majority science versus some little whinery troll

@Kenny Chaffin
Alligators, crocs, sharks and piranha!! :)
For the most population of this planet the democrazy propagandists are predators:
Clinton: Iraq, Yugoslavia.
Bush: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.
Obama: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2014/fact-checking-the-war-comparisons-between-obama-and-bush/

Unfortunately blocking a troll does not prevent his comments from being seen.

Hey Ivan: You forgot one more important truth: Garlic oil can heal cancer.
Fuck off.

True, but Deleting them does. :)

He should go cover himself in black salve and drink a stomachfull too!
Maybe a Black Salve Enema too!

only 2? diaspora, you can do better!

@Kenny Chaffin @Christoph S As i understand that insults and attempts to demonstrate your superiority over me - are your arguments? By this demonstration of Western supremacy, you are replacing responsibility for your statements, right?

@murdeRED dreams GrandWizardOfZOG i remember you being happy about the Palestinian murders earlier. Are you still happy when you see the news of the Palestinian regular murders?

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The comment thread so far seems interesting so far, I think I´ll have the notifications on for this one 😊
Good to have you back @꧁JEFF꧂ ✪

I always want to know; I always wonder: ‘Is it that they don’t see, or they simply do not want to see?’

As bad and thorough the propaganda is, there are many ways to find the truth, even by using the internet. And many of those who live in Europe or North America are definitely rich enough to go and see with their own eyes what is happening in the world, particularly in those countries that are being flattened and destroyed, because of the greed of Western corporations and governments. Instead of frying their bodies on the beaches of Caribbean islands, year after year, they can fly to Venezuela. Instead of vacationing on the fake island of Bali (environmentally ruined, congested with traffic jams but marketing itself as an ‘earthly paradise’), they could visit Borneo and see how the entire ecosystem gets ruined by extreme pro-Western capitalism. I am not suggesting that they go to some real war zone or places where genocides take place, like West Papua, Kashmir or the Democratic Republic of Congo, but at least they could show some curiosity about those places that are being sacrificed in order to maintain those ridiculously high standards of living in the West. There are so many places on earth where thousands, even hundreds of thousands die annually, so the Europeans can enjoy their free medical care, education and the latest models of cars.

The truth is actually very ‘uncomfortable’. Ignorance is like a duvet in a cold winter: cozy and comforting, and so hard to resist.

Western propagandists know it. They count on it. They are offering people in the West an ‘easy escape’ from sharing the responsibility for the state of the world.

“Leave it to us,” they are saying without pronouncing it. “Let us be the bad guys. We meaning the corporate world, the governments. You can even yell that you hate us, once in a while. As long as you don’t really rock the boat. As long as you do not start challenging the essence of the world order, as long as you just demand, selfishly, improvement in your own standards of living.”

vaccines work, right? except when they don't
This is true for most things in life :) Seatbelts work until they don't. Fire extinguishers put out fires until they don't. If you cut yourself then bandages help - but sometimes don't.

Vaccination existed in USSR. My mother worked in vaccine production actually. She never shared the official enthusiasm of vaccines being the silver bullet but also she had no doubt they mostly worked. Was it depopulation plot or Big Pharma somehow infiltrated government institutions of socialist state for reasons unknown? :)

Shit isn't black and white. Especially in science.

@Alexander
Vaccination existed in USSR.
And homeophaty: https://1796web.com/
Was it depopulation plot or Big Pharma somehow infiltrated government institutions of socialist state for reasons unknown? :)
https://www.sciencealert.com/bogus-paper-claims-the-hpv-vaccine-causes-fertility-problems
Is it funny for you?

As i could undestrand you, Alexander, you are dreaming about Western emigration from the colonial capital. You came to this thread to support the irresponsible propaganda of neo-colonialism, is it? Do you hope that choral singing of irresponsible neoliberal propaganda will make you include in the golden billion?

Some people don’t know when they are wasting their time. So much talk etc.

haha, nice graphic, @Mudflap!

funny how most people have no concept of what science actually is. And they conflate a consensus opinion (e.g. "the Sun revolves around the Earth") with an absolute truth of some sort. There are 'hard' sciences such as physics, and 'soft' ones like archaeology, but even physics has undergone changes from time to time.

Is it funny for you?
When people start to paint things black and white based on anecdotal evidence, I have to admit - yes, it kinda is, @ivan zlax :) Note that I don't dismiss the possibility that some vaccines can be ineffective or there could be some malefaction somewhere but claiming that vaccines don't work is no better than claiming all vaccines work always and for everyone.

E.g. look at smallpox, Look at polio.

Personally I think vaccination should remain open question. Saying "vaccines work" is like saying "pills work". Radicalizing discussion doesn't help everyone.

In case someone here doesn't really know how vaccines work, here is TLDR:

Our bodies are capable of immunization - if we experience certain illnesses and recover we can develop resistance to certain pathogens causing it. It works with some pathogens and doesn't (or does so unreliably) with others.

Vaccines are intended to create immunization by introducing weakened pathogen.

Production of vaccines isn't exact science. You pick pathogen, put it in certain environment it feels good about (often these environments are things like chicken eggs or animals) and let it grow. When it develops in desired amount you have to "deactivate" it which means make it less potent so it won't cause serious illness but it has to be still recognizable by our immune system.

Yes, all of this is tricky and requires constant supervision, testing and readjustment. Vaccines can have side effects or bad batches (most often with pathogens not deactivated enough). Also pathogens change. Vaccines can be effective against one strain and not another. Theoretically there can be risk of unintended introduction of new pathogens specific to host environment (e.g. from monkeys which were used to cultivate vaccine culture) or created by mutation of target pathogen.

Does this mean vaccines work? Does this mean they don't? To me it seems most of them do but fuck ups happen. E.g. Cutter Incident.

look at the flu vaccine. It rarely works, but they keep trying every year, to figure out which viral mutation will spread.

In Canada flu vaccines average about 60% effective. I get the shot each year and haven't had the flu in many years. Before I started getting the shots I got the flu once or twice a winter, every year. I had been hospitalized from it and had almost died from it. Do they work - yes. Is it worth getting getting shot - absolutely.

Only if it's laced with antidepressants.

look at the flu vaccine. It rarely works
Even considering some studies with efficiency found slightly below 60% I wouldn't say "it rarely works". It might seem so for an individual person who with such rates and enough bad luck could get vaccinated and then sick anyway several seasons in a row. However for society in general reducing general number of seasonally sick people even by say 20% is big deal.

@Alexander
Is it funny for you?
When people start to paint things black and white based on anecdotal evidence, I have to admit - yes, it kinda is, @ivan zlax :)

So please read this - https://1796web.com/pdfs/HPVcancervaccine2007.pdf - it will be more fun for you.
As i could understand it is will be another fun for you:
The Government suspended a school-based immunisation programme following the revelations, which came after more than 733,000 children had been immunised.
Out of more than 211,000 suspected cases of dengue fever in the Philippines last year, at least 1,000 people had died, according to government figures.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/philippines-dengue-fever-vaccine-children-immunisation-dengvaxia-sanofi-pasteur-a8088561.html
The recent deaths of Syrian children after receiving measles vaccinations was the result of a "mistake" by a non-governmental partner who mixed in a muscle relaxant meant for anesthesia, a spokesman for the U.N. secretary-general said Wednesday.
A physician who administered the vaccinations in rebel-held parts of northwestern Syria told The Associated Press in mid-September that at least 15 children, some of them just babies, died.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-10-syria-vaccine-deaths-ngo.html

It is just anecdotal fun for you, as i could understand you, Alexander.
but claiming that vaccines don't work is no better than claiming all vaccines work always and for everyone.
Please reread my messages. I claim that it works well for depopulation and sterilization of the population of Third Worlds countries, as Bill Gates directly said it on Ted. I ready to prove this words with specific examples.
Does this mean vaccines work? Does this mean they don't?
At the level of the self-suggestion and only when injected through a syringe. This traumatic experience for the biological organism increases the effect of panacea. If you try to vaccinate yourself orally, intranasal, or in some other non-injection way, the effect of self-suggestion will be less noticeable.
In fact, at the substance level, homeopathy and vaccination work in the same way - this is the psychological effect of reacting to the "treatment" with microdoses of poison or disease. If you are injecting homeopathic drugs with syringe, their effectiveness will be greatly increased than if you try to be treated by them in the form of pills.

But it's all secondary. Primarily, the big pharma lobbies in governments around the world for laws that benefit them. They do it for a future, trying to expand Overton Window of the permitted level government control of biological organisms:



Lobbyists of the forced vaccination are the lobbyists of the injecting various substances by governments against people will.

When I read those who say no climate emergency I see behind that a person who does not care one crap for other people, hates "other" in general and is selfish, egotistical & chauvinistic...why because whether people are causing the climate to change or if it has been going on for 100s of millions of years is NOT THE FUCKING POINT...the point is there are now 8+ BILLION people on earth NOW ( and as a point of interest there are not 1 billion people in N America )...those who are affected by the changes which are happening and have always happened will and are suffering. Weather patterns change on a dime and suddenly and stay changed long enough to cause aid spread or localize famine, floods, droughts to the point of civilizations have fallen.....There are too many people on earth in the areas with no decent supply of clean water, sewage treatment, electricity, stable food, shelter, transportation, and decent governments THAT IS THE CRISES. Earth will be fine, those other species who also live in narrow temperature parameters will suffer and go extinct( also with the help of humans who are trash and a pestilence on earth as a normal function) That is the base of the climate change emergency...it is the 8+ billion people that have the emergency not earth.

At the level of the self-suggestion and only when injected through a syringe. This traumatic experience for
@ivan zlax, is this also true for pets and farm animals? How does my dog know that one injection is for distemper, while another dose up his nose is for bordatella?

I'd say that YMMV with vaccines. Smallpox has been known for centuries, and that one works very well. And there are other old, established vaccines which are quite effective.

But some work not-so-well. And if you have the misfortune to live in a country where the AZE is dropping "freedom bombs", there is no telling what the "medical care" people will inject. A famous polio campaign in Afghanistan was shamelessly used by the CIA to infiltrate remote villages -- thereby wrecking the effort and leaving wild polio there.

Jim R in the comment above says everything I would say so I won't repeat it.

Note that I also don't believe that people should be injected against their will. By the way things like this show much worse problem we are having - trust crisis. What anti-vaxxers, chemtrails, climate change disbelief, even crap like flat earth all have in common? Lost of faith in authority. And while it happens not without reason it is real problem and possible existential threat.

@J R
@ivan zlax, is this also true for pets and farm animals?
I think yes, but as far as i'm concerned, animal vaccines are different from human vaccines. It's not micro dosing, it's mini dosing.
http://www.aloqada.com/m/news/2012/10/04/vetsluzhba_uzbekistana_vakcina_vyzvavshaya_padezh_skota_v_kirgizii_byla_vvezena_iz_kazakhstana
In Jalal-Abad oblast of Kyrgyzstan, more than 1,700 cattle were died because of poor quality vaccine against smallpox
Very different quality standards.
How does my dog know that one injection is for distemper, while another dose up his nose is for bordatella?
Your dog does not know distemper and bordatella. You know that.
Also, the kids don't know why they're being vaccinated. This is done not for the sake of calm children, but for the sake of the parents' peace of mind.
A famous polio campaign in Afghanistan was shamelessly used by the CIA to infiltrate remote villages -- thereby wrecking the effort and leaving wild polio there.
It is great Western tradition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac%27s_War#Siege_of_Fort_Pitt
P.S. I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.
Amherst replied:
[65]P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.

I think yes, but as far as i’m concerned, animal vaccines are different from human vaccines.
They are only different in that animals face a different array of infectious diseases. Humans don't get distemper, and cats don't get measles.

@Nora Qudus
When I read those who say no climate emergency I see behind that a person who does not care one crap for other people, hates "other" in general and is selfish, egotistical & chauvinistic...
It is your personal projection. You do not want to listen slaves of your colonies. You only want irresponsible spread your neocolonial propaganda.
Humans who are trash and a pestilence on earth as a normal function
That's what i call Western irresponsibility. You are doing everything you can to transfer responsibility for the damage you inherited to the whole of humans. You glorify the depopulation. The depopulation of undeveloped people from the third world countries, of course.
The planet needs more people, the planet can feed many more people.
But there are too many Westerners on the planet with their greedy consumption norms inherited from their colonial ancestors. And what do Westerners do? They don't want to reduce their consumption, they want to reduce the population of this planet.

@J R
They are only different in that animals face a different array of infectious diseases. Humans don't get distemper, and cats don't get measles.
Not just that. And also the quality. If a dog or 1700 heads of cattle die from a vaccination - it is not so terrible as the death of one person - for the manufacturer and reseller of this medical product.

@Alexander
Note that I also don't believe that people should be injected against their will.
You don't believe it, but for some reason you promote irresponsible claims in this thread in benefit of neoliberal governments who promote legitimization of forced vaccination.
By the way things like this show much worse problem we are having - trust crisis. What anti-vaxxers, chemtrails, climate change disbelief, even crap like flat earth all have in common? Lost of faith in authority.
That's a good point. It follows logically that pro-vaxxers, pro-chemtrails, climate change advocacy, even nazi crap about successful moon landing (in spaceships and spacesuits where nothing was designed to natural defecate of austranauts) - all this based on faith in authority.
Faith in authority - that's what Western virtual activists' propaganda is based on.
And while it happens not without reason it is real problem and possible existential threat.
For you this is real problem existential threat - as somebody, whose life is based on faith in authority.
Ты capital citizen (можно сократить просто до "capitalist"). Для тебя распространение падения веры властям воспринимается как угроза к существованию. Маськва для РФ, это как Запад для всего остального мира. Твоё благоденствие строится на крошках со столичного барского стола. Ты не допускаешь мысли о смене образа жизни (кроме как поднятия выше по колониальной лестнице - миграции на Запад), лучше ты будешь проповедовать то, во что ты не веришь, чтобы поддерживать виртуальный авторитет колониальных властей, приблежённость к которым обуславливает твой образ жизни и привычный столичный уровень потребления.

You don’t believe it, but for some reason you promote irresponsible claims in this thread in benefit of neoliberal governments who promote legitimization of forced vaccination.
Irresponsible claims? The thing is, you see, I wasn't going to get involved in this thread. I just scrolled on past, because 'chemtrails', yeah, whatever. Somebody does or does not 'believe' in it, so what. Water is a chemical, and that is what jet engines leave behind when they fly. If the air is cold enough, it makes a long thin cloud of ice crystals. There has been some talk of geoengineering, but it is far from a 'thing', and I doubt it ever will be, for a number of reasons.

So, I wasn't going to get involved.

The fact is, @ivan zlax, the neoliberals do not care what you 'believe' any more. They've been selling Global Warming for decades, and then "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and later "Chemical Weapons", from an apparently misplaced cylinder of pool chlorine. Their propaganda has gotten steadily worse with passing time. Now, they don't care at all. If they want to do something, they will do it. So it doesn't matter which 'side' of that list of issues you take.

In any case, it isn't science, it is politics. Some of those items have a bit of objective measurable evidence for or against them, and some do not. CO₂ will warm the atmosphere by maybe a few degrees, and vaccination programs have changed the epidemiology of some horrific diseases quite dramatically. And there are still plenty of artifacts around at various space museums from our adventure on the moon fifty years ago. Observatories have detected the corner reflectors that still sit on the lunar surface. We were going broke and had to abandon the manned space program, so that's why it isn't done any more. Evolution is still happening, and there are some scientists watching and documenting it.

So, little bit of science. Not much evidence the earth is burning up, despite the daily headlines shouting about it. The weather was worse in the 1930s, but few can remember that. Like I said, the list is a list of political issues, very loosely connected with underlying realities.

So, there ya go. But Alexander is not 'supporting' the neoliberals. And you will not 'win' an argument against a lie with another lie.

@J R
Irresponsible claims?
Yes. I ask questions to @Alexander regarding to his claims. But he ignored my questions. So i call his claims as irresponsible.
So it doesn't matter which 'side' of that list of issues you take.
It's important to me. I am not on their side, i am not financing them or legitimizing them. Accordingly, i do not depend on them. Those who finance them (taxes) and legitimize them (elections) - they depend on them.
In any case, it isn't science, it is politics.
Exactly. This post is the irresponsible propaganda of politics, not of science.
And there are still plenty of artifacts around at various space museums from our adventure on the moon fifty years ago.
Except for the moon soil, which can be checked.
We were going broke and had to abandon the manned space program, so that's why it isn't done any more.
It's politics. Political leaders constantly promise to "return to the moon soon" for the last couple of decades. But for some reason, they don't return yet.
So, there ya go. But Alexander is not 'supporting' the neoliberals.
But he has fun reading about reports of depopulation and sterilization by vaccination in third world countries. It's a neoliberal approach to consider this kind of information as fun.

At least Earth isn't flat for @ivan zlax :)

And yes, complex societies naturally depend on authority. Not necessarily on authority as in "police" but authority of experts in various fields. This is called specialization.

You depend on it too. Without it you wouldn't be here on the Internet :)
It’s a neoliberal approach to consider this kind of information as fun.
I do not consider this information fun. However the way you are using it can be amusing to me. Sorry.

@Alexander
And yes, complex societies naturally depend on authority. Not necessarily on authority as in "police" but authority of experts in various fields. This is called specialization.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
You depend on it too. Without it you wouldn't be here on the Internet :)
I do not depend, i grow food by myself. If someone in the government blocks me from using the Internet, i will be using local networks, as i did before. If the government closes the stores in the capital, the residents of the capitals will probably start eating each other.
I do not consider this information fun. However the way you are using it can be amusing to me. Sorry.
I do not sorry you. I asked you:
*https://www.sciencealert.com/bogus-paper-claims-the-hpv-vaccine-causes-fertility-problems
Is it funny for you?*
You said:
When people start to paint things black and white based on anecdotal evidence, I have to admit - yes, it kinda is, @ivan zlax :)
Either you lied then, or you're lying now (or you "misunderstood me" then, or "misunderstood me" now). Anyway, now, you're abandoning what you said earlier.

Except for the moon soil, which can be checked.
Last time I visited the NASA museum in Clear Lake, they had some little samples of that on display. It isn't very impressive, some gray powder with a few gray rocks.

But for some reason, they don’t return yet.
I just told you the reason. NASA was something like 2/3 of the whole government budget back then. Couldn't afford it. A few more unmanned probes have been sent, I think China has one on the far side of the moon right now.

@J R
on display.
That's right, sealed and protected, without access to independent analysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_regolith_simulant
The main thing on the display it looks visually.

@J R
I just told you the reason. NASA was something like 2/3 of the whole government budget back then. Couldn't afford it. A few more unmanned probes have been sent, I think China has one on the far side of the moon right now.
The necessary money was allocated for these projects:
https://lenta.ru/news/2006/01/25/moon/
A Russian base on the moon will appear early than American astronauts land on the next celestial body. "We plan to create a permanent station on the Moon by 2015, and from 2020 we can start commercial production of a rare isotope - helium-3 - on the Earth's satellite," said Nikolai Sevastyanov, head of RSC Energia. The Kommersant newspaper wrote about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration
The Vision for Space Exploration, announced on January 14, 2004 by President George W. Bush, was seen as a response to the Columbia disaster, the state of human spaceflight at NASA, and a way to regain public enthusiasm for space exploration. The Vision for Space Exploration sought to implement a sustained and affordable human and robotic program to explore the solar system and beyond; extend human presence across the solar system, starting with a human return to the Moon by the year 2020
But in modern conditions it is very difficult to carry out the trick, which was carried out by the Nazis in the U.S. earlier.

But in modern conditions it is very difficult to carry out the trick, which was carried out by the Nazis in the U.S. earlier.
in modern conditions, the USA manned space program is a joke. it has to beg for a ride in a Soyuz spacecraft launched from the Cosmodrome at Baikonur. And the US 'news' media never mention this fact.

@ivan zlax what are you like 15 or something you sound like some half baked idiot...go back to high school and learn something

@Nora Qudus
what are you like 15 or something you sound like some half baked idiot...go back to high school and learn something
As i could understand your words - you tried to demonstrate you superiority over me.

@J R
in modern conditions, the USA manned space program is a joke. it has to beg for a ride in a Soyuz spacecraft launched from the Cosmodrome at Baikonur. And the US 'news' media never mention this fact.
According to the Ukrainian revisionists some of Soyuz project was a hoax: http://www.manonmoon.ru/articles/st208.htm

I do not depend, i grow food by myself. If someone in the government blocks me from using the Internet, i will be using local networks, as i did before.
Do you grow network adapters too? Amazing, Ivan :)

Yes, this - and by this I mean you posting this link here in the context of this discussion I find mildly amusing. Does this answer your question?

Just to make this clear: @ivan zlax is right with everything he says. I know, because I am part of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy and I helped to implement it all.

@Alexander
Do you grow network adapters too?
No. But i repair broken and use it often.
Yes, this - and by this I mean you posting this link here in the context of this discussion I find mildly amusing. Does this answer your question?
You did not answered another questions asked to you early in this thread. You just ignored this. I try to answer every question asked to me.

@(((Till)))
Just to make this clear: @ivan zlax is right with everything he says. I know, because I am part of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy and I helped to implement it all.
Please answer also: do you collaborate with Nazis?

But i repair broken and use it often.
Which is commendable but doesn't change the fact that you do use and find beneficial products of specialized labor. Which simply wouldn't exist at this point of time if everyone was busy growing their own food, cutting their own wood and erecting their own shelter.

As for your other questions I considered them rhetorical. You already know answers.

@Nora Qudus As i could understand your words - you tried to demonstrate you superiority over me.

@Alexander
Which is commendable but doesn't change the fact that you do use and find beneficial products of specialized labor. Which simply wouldn't exist at this point of time if everyone was busy growing their own food, cutting their own wood and erecting their own shelter.
That doesn't cancel that i'm independent, and you're an depended like a capital boy. You don't have experience of surviving in a natural environment, you don't have experience of producing your own food, you only have experience of "buying and selling". Therefore, you are engaged in the irresponsible propaganda of the way of life, which you consider the only true. I remember our first conversation with you - you tried to prove that people are omnivorous scavengers like pigs. Now you are promoting forced vaccinations (which you don't believe in that much), singing with to neoliberals and neocolonisers. As i understand it, you're trying to expand and impose your limitations on everyone around you.
As for your other questions I considered them rhetorical. You already know answers.
I wouldn't be asking questions if i knew the answers. I very rarely use rhetorical questions (i always specify if so). It was advantageous for you not to answer these questions, so you considered them to be "rhetorical". For the sake of irresponsibility.

Please answer also: do you collaborate with Nazis?
Nazis aren't real. We invented them as antagonists to promote our own agenda. People who seem to be Nazis are actually our own people, drawing attention away from other topics or antagonizing people (basically like the classic reverse psychology but a little more complex).

@(((Till)))
Nazis aren't real. We invented them as antagonists to promote our own agenda. People who seem to be Nazis are actually our own people, drawing attention away from other topics or antagonizing people (basically like the classic reverse psychology but a little more complex).
For me Nazis are real:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Military deaths from all causes 11,400,000
Civilian deaths due to military activity and crimes against humanity 10,000,000
Civilian deaths due to war-related famine and disease 9,000,000
Total deaths 27,000,000

I think you are lie. For purpose to hide your motives. As far as i understand, you're afraid to admit that you're collaborating with the Nazis because of your country's criminal laws.

Anyway according to the documents, if you said truth about "part of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy", you are also collaborator of Nazis:

@(((Till)))
Nazis aren't real.
Given this information about the Nazis:
https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4202/chapter1.html
https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/history/nasas-secret-nazis.aspx


It was this Nazis who organized the "Successful US Flight to the Moon".
But if the austronauts didn't fly into space, where did they go from the rocket? After all, they inside in the rocket in front of viewers, and this rocket was launched in front of the same viewers? Where were the American astronomers hiding?
Don't worry, everything was planned with German care. The permanent and the only head of the launch pad, who "sent into space" all American astronauts in Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, was the German Nazi Guenter Wendt.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/g-nter-wendt-space-engineer-who-fought-for-germany-in-the-second-world-war-then-worked-on-nasarsquos-1983793.html



My grandfather was deadly wounded by Nazis. I don't believe the Nazis and those who promote their dubious businesses.
Just to make this clear: @ivan zlax is right with everything he says. I know, because I am part of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy and I helped to implement it all.
In my opinion, the fact that you say that the Nazis are not real after these words - says that you lied, tried to "make a joke out". As far as i understand, for purpose to hide the dubious legacy of your ancestors.

By the way:

> We’ve been to the moon

I hope everybody who reposted this anti-scientific propagandistic meme now could understand who are have been to the moon. And who "we" are.
Bild/Foto
In 1952, a German scientist predicted the name “Elon” would be associated with the colonization of Mars
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/06/13/in-1952-a-german-scientist-predicted-the-name-elon-would-be-associated-with-the-colonization-of-mars/

You're just continuing the case that your ancestors started.

You forgot that God created the world.

That doesn't cancel that i'm independent, and you're an depended
That does show your hypocrisy about specialization. The rest is irrelevant and I am not sure why you bring it up. To show off your superiority over us? To convince yourself in something? It is not someone argues you shouldn't live as you do.
Now you are promoting forced vaccination
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that.

If these questions were not rhetorical then the answer is "no" to both.

@Alexander
To show off your superiority over us?
I do not declare my superiority over anyone, i only criticize the anti-scientific propaganda, which is irresponsibly spread by supporters of the depopulation. You've come to oppose me on the side of irresponsible promoters of pseudo-scientific neoliberal values. It's better to ask why you are doing this.
To convince yourself in something?
I criticize the irresponsible anti-scientific claims of the Westerners who promote their inherited privileges and answer any questions i have been asked in this thread.
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that.
I've come to these conclusions because of your irresponsibility. People usually avoid answering questions when they try to hide something.
If these questions were not rhetorical then the answer is "no" to both.
Ok. So please answer also this questions:
If you didn't come here to promote neocolonialism, why did you leave your "fun" messages about my comments here?

Я вижу это так: мы с тобой думаем на славянском языке (slav language). Те, кто безответственно оскорблял меня и пытался продемонстрировать своё превосходство, в ответ на мою критику этой анти-научной пропаганды неоколониализма - думают на латинских языках (master languages). Ты приходишь в этот тред - и сходу начинаешь подшучивать надо мной, демонстрировать то, что мои тезисы тебе кажутся забавными, рисуешь смайлики и, как я это понимаю, пытаешься зашутить эту не совсем смешную тему. Из этого я прихожу к выводу, что несмотря на язык, на котором ты думаешь, ценности твои соответствуют ценностям безответственных привелигированных пропагандистов запада. Поэтому я и задал тебе вопросы, которые ты посчитал риторическими, чтобы уточнить твои намерения. Сейчас ты говоришь, что якобы ты пришёл сюда не для пропаганды неоколониализма, и не в рассчёте сыскать расположение западной аудитории. Пожалуйста, объясни мне, с какой целью ты оставлял подобные комменатраии в этом треде:
This is true for most things in life :)
Was it depopulation plot or Big Pharma somehow infiltrated government institutions of socialist state for reasons unknown? :)
When people start to paint things black and white based on anecdotal evidence, I have to admit - yes, it kinda is, @ivan zlax :)
At least Earth isn’t flat for @ivan zlax :)
You depend on it too. Without it you wouldn’t be here on the Internet :)
Судя по нарисованным улыбкам - написание этих комментариев доставляло тебе радость и улыбки (или ты, по каким-то причинам, пытался сделать такой вид). Я не вижу других причин, согласно которым ты мог найти что-то забавное в моих словах, касаемо обсуждения этой темы, кроме как попытки поддержки неоколониализма, который я тут критикую, или как попытки "сойти за своего" среди безответственных западных неолибералов, в надежде сыскать их уважение. Пожалуйста, объясни мне, зачем ты приёшл в этот тред оппонировать мне (в твоих комментариях я вижу явную попытку оппонировать озвученным мной тезисам). И пожалуйста, объясни это мне, а не окружающим. То есть ответь, пожалуйста на языке, на котором я к тебе обратился.

@ivan zlax, всё просто - я не вижу в изначальной записи "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции". В кавычки это взято, так как первое понятие довольно расплывчатое, а о втором я мнения пока не составил.

Поэтому то, что ты сразу приносишь в тред неолиберализм, колониализм и немецкий нацизм заодно, я нахожу одновременно забавным (так как это тебе вообще свойственно) и деструктивным. Я понимаю идеи, которые ты хочешь донести. Проблема в том, что, радикализируя дискуссию, ты добиваешься противоположного эффекта. Так же проблема в том, что не все разговоры вращаются вокруг того, о чем хочешь говорить ты.

Не нравятся обязательные прививки? Так будут! Именно благодаря антипрививочникам. И всё остальное будет. Даже если сейчас пока/уже нет, то вы же добьётесь. Причём тебя это не коснётся, а остальные хлебнут. По слухам, на просвещенном Западе уже медперсонал боится отправлять отчёты о побочках по прививкам, чтоб не получить в ответ почётную шапочку из фольги.

Думаю, это достаточно ясно отвечает на твой вопрос.
TLDR for the above: shit isn't black and white.

I do not hide my real identity
He never understood the decentralized privacy aware social web, ideado entre otros by Ilya.
.. amazing ..
(has he mentioned yet that Ilya was killed by the NSA? _double facepalm in fremdschäme manner)
jeff, you have a lunatic, well done ;)
Reminds me on mother earth complaining on "having humans" ..

.. don't worry, as no vaccines work at all, that's most likely a temporary state of afairs ..
Bild/Foto

@Alexander
всё просто - я не вижу в изначальной записи "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции". В кавычки это взято, так как первое понятие довольно расплывчатое, а о втором я мнения пока не составил.
Ну так и европейцы не видели "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции", когда строили христианский мир в новом свете.
Ну так и немцы не видели "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции", когда строили рейх в восточной европе.
Ну так и американцы не видели "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции", когда боролись с коммунизмом в южной азии.
Я ясно вижу "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции" в этом посте, в первом комментарии конкретно это обосновал. Если этой информации недостаточно, скажи - покажу конкретные документы по тезисам, которые не вполне ясны.
То, что ты "отказываешься видеть" эту депопуляцию и неоколониализм, проводимые Западом по отношению к остальному миру - не является индульгенцией соучастия в этом.
Поэтому то, что ты сразу приносишь в тред неолиберализм, колониализм и немецкий нацизм заодно, я нахожу одновременно забавным (так как это тебе вообще свойственно) и деструктивным.
В моей системе ценностей - соучастие неолиберализму, колониализму и нацизму - деструктивно. А разоблачение этого - конструктивно.
Я понимаю идеи, которые ты хочешь донести. Проблема в том, что, радикализируя дискуссию, ты добиваешься противоположного эффекта. Так же проблема в том, что не все разговоры вращаются вокруг того, о чем хочешь говорить ты.
Я не хочу донести никаких идей - это твоя проекция. Я лишь разоблачаю (ссылаясь на документы, как правило) анти-научную неолиберальную пропаганду в этом треде.
Не нравятся обязательные прививки?
Любые не нравятся, как и гомеопатия. Не сторонник веры в успехи "лечением микродозами".
Так будут! Именно благодаря антипрививочникам. И всё остальное будет. Даже если сейчас пока/уже нет, то вы же добьётесь.
Не вижу логики в твоих словах. Это же вроде как ты этого добивашься, рекламируя эффективность вакцинации. Пропагандисты вакцинации часто используют подмену понятий, добиваясь принудительной вакцинации в духе: "один антиваксер может заразить всех вакцинированых, один отказник - и вся вакцинация популяции на смарку".
Причём тебя это не коснётся, а остальные хлебнут. По слухам, на просвещенном Западе уже медперсонал боится отправлять отчёты о побочках по прививкам, чтоб не получить в ответ почётную шапочку из фольги.
Ну так это благодаря твоей "забаве" и забаве остальных потребителей массовой западной культуры. Могу показать конкретные документы американских спецслужб, рассекреченные по программе FOIA, как они в сотрудничестве с психоаналитиками разработали и внедрили в массы "демонизацию конспирологии". Я не первый год занимаюсь изучением теорий заговора, раньше не понимал откуда берутся все эти "петросяны со своими шапачками из фольги", пытающихся устроить цирк в любой теме, которую можно ассоциировать с заговорами. Но не так давно опубликовали документы, в которых описано то, как потребителей западной массовой культуры активно программировали последние 30 лет для физиологической реакции на "конспирологию".
Пожалуйста, скажи, если тебе это интересно - я покажу конкретные документы.
Думаю, это достаточно ясно отвечает на твой вопрос.
Нет. Мне не стало ясно.
Пожалуйста, ответь поконкретнее: если ты пришёл в этот тред не для "пропаганду неоколониализма" или "депопуляции", то зачем ты пришёл в этот тред рисуя смайлики и пытайся свести в шутку мои критические комментарии?
Я так и не понял твоего мотива из этого комментария. Сформулируй пожалуйста поконкретнее.

@Alexander, +++ excellent (after DeepL and Yandex) -- translation worked well, except for word 'антипрививочникам' in third paragraph. But, well-stated.

If you wish to move the Overton window, it is better not to start from so far outside of it.

and ... corner reflectors ...

@mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jeSuisatire bitPickup / [italic]~ irony
He never understood the decentralized privacy aware social web, ideado entre otros by Ilya... amazing ..(has he mentioned yet that Ilya was killed by the NSA? _double facepalm in fremdschäme manner)
Нет, я не говорил что Илья убит АНБ.

@J R антипрививочники = antivaxxers

Of course, the Nazis were real in the way, that the third Reich existed and Hitler started a war that devastated most of the world.
But Hitler himself was one of our agents. But when he went to London in February 1912, he was brainwashed by our people in the MI6 in Tavistock. The procedure was so successful, that we expanded the location to become the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations later on. We always were in control.

@(((Till))) so you admit that you collaborate with Nazis?

This guy...
Hey Ivan, do you know the nazis never disappeared but were evacuated by sovietic flying saucers and now live on the other side of the flat earth?

So many fucking science poured in the internet for that...

Нет, я не говорил что Илья убит АНБ.
.. tu abuela ..

@WeirdWolf**
Hey Ivan, do you know the nazis never disappeared but were evacuated by sovietic flying saucers and now live on the other side of the flat earth?
Most part of the Nazies was evacuated by CIA to California according to official documents:
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-58-no-3/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Some of Nazies was hidden in South America (like famous nazi "scientist" Mengele) according to declassified documents:
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-02-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-03-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-04-of-04/view
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/HITLER%2C%20ADOLF_0003.pdf
All this stuff about aliens and flying saucers was designed to hide the little-known book about Nazi-Zionist collaboration, that was published 1981cc:
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oblast 51 tajné spisy
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Belarus 2,290,000 25.3%
Poland 6,000,000 17.22%
Ukraine 6,850,000 16.3%
Russia 13,950,000 12.7%
Greece 807,000 11.17%
Yugoslavia 1,700,000 10.97%
Germany 7,400,000 8.86%
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Каб выйсці з сакрэтнай зоны ЗША, неабходна задаць пытанне на англійскай мове.
Aby opuścić tajną strefę USA, musisz zadać pytanie w języku angielskim.
Για να φύγετε από τη μυστική ζώνη των ΗΠΑ, πρέπει να κάνετε μια ερώτηση στα αγγλικά.
Um den geheimen Bereich der USA zu verlassen, müssen Sie eine Frage auf Englisch stellen.


United States 419,400 0.32%






https://archive.org/details/51DocumentsZionistCollaborationWithTheNazisLENNIBRENNER1983

ODD# I(e)/3,v;73Brc3185

#documents #europe #erisian #holiday #hoax #infosec #metaprogramming #kabbalah #nazi #nazism #odd #past #revision #timespace #ufo #usa #war #zion #zionism
Consumers of Hollywood mass products believes in all this UFO-alien stuff.

@mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jeSuisatire bitPickup / [italic]~ irony пажалуста, атстань ат миня, нацистка.

Please do not help your Military Industrial Complex to spread irresponsible Nazi propaganda.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger

@(((Till))) so you admit that you collaborate with Nazis?
Don't you read my posts? We don't "collaborate" with them, because that would mean, they are our equals. We created the whole movement and we control them. Some idiot thugs may actually believe in that stupid ideology, but the leaders are our people. The Nazis are nothing more than our puppets.

пажалуста, атстань ат миня, нацистка.
.. y tu hermana tambien ..

@(((Till)))
Don't you read my posts?
I read. I try to understand.
We don't "collaborate" with them, because that would mean, they are our equals.
So you declare that you equal to Nazis?

apparently Till declares that he is superior to Nazis, and makes them do what he wants.

no, till is a part of zog, middle managment

@murdeRED dreams GrandWizardOfZOG
no, till is a part of zog, middle managment
I think i'm getting the hang of it. So you're saying that you run the Nazis? They're just following your orders?

I think i’m getting the hang of it. So you’re saying that you run the Nazis? They’re just following your orders?
Basically, yes. The Nazis, some other political groups and movements and most governments.

@(((Till)))
Basically, yes. The Nazis, some other political groups and movements and most governments.
So you're implying that this was your orders and will for the Nazis who killed 26 million people in the USSR (16 million of whom were civilians) during the Second World War?

@ivan zlax
Пожалуйста, ответь поконкретнее
Да, кажется, конкретнее уже некуда. Я не считаю этот пост тем, чем считаешь его ты, поэтому твоё притягивание депопуляции под простое утверждение "вакцины работают" или нацистов под упоминание космической деятельности выглядит забавно. Это как если бы ты пришёл в обсуждение гражданских вертолётов, например, и начал сыпать аргументами про использование их как орудий "неолиберализма".
Не вижу логики в твоих словах.
Странно, ты сам ниже отвечаешь на этот вопрос. Поскольку конспирология демонизирована, лучший способ сейчас задушить любой диалог - записать всех неугодных (даже не обязательно принципиально несогласных, просто неугодных) именно в психов-конспирологов. И для этого очень с руки оказывается наличие на виду реальных таких экземпляров.
Это же вроде как ты этого добивашься, рекламируя эффективность вакцинации.
Совсем нет. Если я не противник технологии, это не значит, что я хочу сделать её безусловно обязательной. Такой подход ведёт к деградации и злоупотреблениям.

@Alexander
Да, кажется, конкретнее уже некуда. Я не считаю этот пост тем, чем считаешь его ты, поэтому твоё притягивание депопуляции под простое утверждение "вакцины работают" или нацистов под упоминание космической деятельности выглядит забавно.
Значит снова считаешь забавным. А до этого ты сказал:
I do not consider this information fun.
Как-то противоречиво. Для юной девицы - то ей забавно, то не забавно - это нормально. Но не для зрелого юноши, тем более в вопросах депопуляции и стерилизации.
Это как если бы ты пришёл в обсуждение гражданских вертолётов, например, и начал сыпать аргументами про использование их как орудий "неолиберализма".
Я кажется тебя понял, ты пришёл в этот тред с попытками зашутить мои тезисы, потому что не считаешь этот пост тем, чем считаю его я. Так?
Странно, ты сам ниже отвечаешь на этот вопрос.
Это не было вопросом, это было констатацией.
Поскольку конспирология демонизирована, лучший способ сейчас задушить любой диалог - записать всех неугодных (даже не обязательно принципиально несогласных, просто неугодных) именно в психов-конспирологов. И для этого очень с руки оказывается наличие на виду реальных таких экземпляров.
Приведи пожалуйста конкретные примеры экземпляров психов-конспирологов в твоём понимании.
Совсем нет. Если я не противник технологии, это не значит, что я хочу сделать её безусловно обязательной. Такой подход ведёт к деградации и злоупотреблениям.
А зачем тогда участвуешь в продвижении этой технологии, используя методы тех, кто хочет сделать её обязательной?
(персонального вышучивания источника критики технологии, противником которой ты не являешься)
Надеюсь это у тебя не произошло несознательно, в порыве каких-то внутренних эмоций. Если ты не хочешь, чтобы вакцинация была принудительной, пожалуйста объясни зачем ты пытался вышутить мои тезисы. Чтобы было нагляднее, я их повторю на русском:

*https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-10-syria-vaccine-deaths-ngo.html
ООН заявляет, что гибель 15 детей от вакцин в Сирии была «ошибкой» НПО
https://www.unn.com.ua/uk/news/1264405-v-ukrayini-vid-koreyskoyi-vaktsini-proti-gepatitu-v-pomerla-lyudina
В Украине от корейской вакцины против гепатита В умер человек
http://www.aloqada.com/m/news/2012/10/04/vetsluzhba_uzbekistana_vakcina_vyzvavshaya_padezh_skota_v_kirgizii_byla_vvezena_iz_kazakhstana
Вакцина, вызвавшая падеж скота в Киргизии, была ввезена из Казахстана
http://www.trud.ru/article/10-02-2009/221943_mladentsa_ubila_privivka.html
проводится проверка по факту смерти трехмесячного ребенка, умершего спустя 20 минут после плановой прививки
https://belaruspartisan.by/life/436298/
Безопасная вакцина? Стало известно еще об одной смерти после прививки "Эупентой"
https://dumskaya.net/news/pogib-rebenok-017794/
После вакцинации в Одессе погиб еще один ребенок. Врачи утверждают — виноват порок сердца
Этот пример очень показателен. Власти установили, что причиной смерти является врожденный порок сердца, а не вакцина. При болезни сердца ребенок жил, умер сразу после прививки — но врачи решили, что причина не в вакцине, а в сердце ребенка — статистика не учитывает такие случаи.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2175836/chinese-boy-dies-after-being-given-mmr-vaccine
Китайский мальчик умирает после вакцинации MMR
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/07/samoa-mmr-vaccine-death-mother-wants-answers-after-tragedy.html
ребенок умер в Самоа после вакцинации против кори, эпидемического паротита и краснухи (MMR)
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/mr-vaccine-autopsy-not-done-kin-cry-foul/585494.html
Невозможно установить причину смерти шестилетнего Гурнура Каура, который умер в субботу после введения вакцины против МР в Батинде, поскольку Департамент здравоохранения не проводил ее посмертное обследование.
Точно так же создается привлекательная для правительств статистика: если человек умирает сразу после вакцинации — причина в другом, например, у него больное сердце. Если человек умирает от болезни — причина в том, что есть те, кто отказался от прививок.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/philippines-dengue-fever-vaccine-children-immunisation-dengvaxia-sanofi-pasteur-a8088561.html
Филиппины подготовились к «наихудшему сценарию» после того, как 733 000 человек получили вакцину от денге, которая может усугубить болезнь. По данным правительства, из более чем 211 000 подозреваемых случаев лихорадки денге на Филиппинах в прошлом году умерло не менее 1000 человек.*

Согласно твоим последним словам, ты снова считаешь всё это забавным (хотя по ходу треда, как-то утверждал что не считаешь забавным). Я пытаюсь разобраться в этих противоречиях, понять причину твоих настойчивых мотивов устроить веселье по этому поводу. Признаюсь, у меня складывается впечатление, что шутки местных петросянов из Германии и США тебе показались недостаточно забавными в этом треде, для того чтобы нивелировать мои аргументы (подкрепляемые сообщениями из массовой прессы и конкретными документами), и ты самоотверженно решил прийти им на помощь.

So you're implying that this was your orders and will for the Nazis who killed 26 million people in the USSR (16 million of whom were civilians) during the Second World War?
Not mine personally of course. That was before my time and another departement of our organisation.

It was a request from our Russian divison. They needed to make some major changes. And nothing is as efficient as a costly war against an outer aggressor, if you want to rally the people and prevent them from asking questions.

@(((Till))) so you're implying that this was orders and will of your organization for the Nazis who killed 26 million people in the USSR (16 million of whom were civilians) during the Second World War?

Do you consider yourself German or Jewish?

Do you consider yourself German or Jewish?
You say it as if it were exclusive.

I'm part of the German division of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy.
That makes me a Jew, a Bolshevik and a German.

@(((Till)))
I'm part of the German division of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy.
If consider this information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Marx
*Heinrich Marx was born in Saarlouis, with the name Herschel Levi, the son of Marx Levy Mordechai (1743–1804) and Eva Lwow (1753–1823). Heinrich Marx's father was the rabbi of Trier, a role which his older brother would later assume.
[1]An 1812 edict, unenforced by the French, asserted that Jews could not occupy legal positions or state offices, and Prussian enforcement of the law led to trouble for Heinrich Marx.
[1]In 1815 Heinrich Marx began work as an attorney, in 1819 moving his family to a ten-room property near the Roman Porta Nigra archway.*
Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Tue, 01 Jan 2019 17:09:48 +0300
Porta Nigra (lat. Porta Nigra - "black gate") — the largest and most well-preserved Ancient Gates in the world.
Порта Нигра (лат. Porta Nigra — «чёрные ворота») — самые большие и наиболее хорошо сохранившиеся античные ворота во всём мире.
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Trier, on the Moselle River, and Augusta Raurica just across the Rhine River from Germany in Switzerland, are two of the best-preserved and most important Roman cities, much more than provincial posts ("Ancient Rome’s German, Swiss legacy preserved")
Трир, на реке Мозель, и Августа Раурика по реке Рейн от Германии в Швейцарию, являются двумя из наиболее хорошо сохранившихся и наиболее важных римских городов, гораздо больше, чем провинциальные посты. ("Ancient Rome’s German, Swiss legacy preserved")
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The city of Trier, located at 10km north-east of Luxembourg.
Город Трир, расположен в 10км к северо-востоку от Люксембурга.
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Римский Трир был заново изобретен почти с нуля в первой половине 19-го века, как раз в то время, когда Карл Маркс рос в его древних стенах. (Трир — это родина Карла Маркса).
Roman Trier was reinvented almost from scratch in the first half of the 19th century, at exactly the time when Karl Marx was growing up within its ancient walls. (Trier is the birthplace of Karl Marx).
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Today we often identify artifacts with the period when they were made. In more traditional cultures, however, such objects as pictures, effigies, and buildings were valued not as much for their chronological age as for their perceived links to the remote origins of religions, nations, monasteries, and families. As a result, Christopher Wood argues, premodern Germans tended not to distinguish between older buildings and their newer replacements, or between ancient icons and more recent forgeries.
Сегодня мы часто отождествляем артефакты с периодом, когда они были сделаны. Однако в более традиционных культурах, такие объекты как картины, изображения и здания, ценились не столько за их хронологический возраст, сколько за их предполагаемые связи с происхождением религий, наций, монастырей и семей. В результате, как утверждает Кристофер Вуд, немецкие тенденции премодерна не имели склонности определять различия между более старыми зданиями и их более новыми заменами, или же между древними иконами и более поздними подделками.
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But Wood shows that over the course of the fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, emerging replication technologies—such as woodcut, copper engraving, and movable type—altered the relationship between artifacts and time. Mechanization highlighted the artifice, materials, and individual authorship necessary to create an object, calling into question the replica’s ability to represent a history that was not its own. Meanwhile, print catalyzed the new discipline of archaeological scholarship, which began to draw sharp distinctions between true and false claims about the past. Ultimately, as forged replicas lost their value as historical evidence, they found a new identity as the intentionally fictional image-making we have come to understand as art.
Но Вуд показывает, что в течение пятнадцатого и начала шестнадцатого веков появляющиеся технологии репликации, такие как гравюра на дереве, гравировка на меди и подвижный шрифт, успешно изменяли связь между артефактами и временем. Механизация выдвинула на первый план выдумку, материалы и отдельное авторство, необходимые для создания объекта, ставя под сомнение способность реплики представлять общественную историю, которая не была его персональной. Между тем, печать стимулировала новую дисциплину археологической науки, которая стала проводить резкие различия между истинными и ложными утверждениями о прошлом. В конечном счете, поскольку поддельные копии потеряли свою ценность как историческое свидетельство, они нашли новую идентичность, как намеренно вымышленное создание изображений, которое мы стали понимать как искусство.
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From The University Of Chicago press release.
Из пресс релиза Университета Чикаго.
ODD# I(e)/5,v;1Chs3185
#odd #allemagne #ancient #calibration #erisian #german #history #hoax #luxembourg #metaprogramming #marxism #revision #roman #swiss #timespace #science

It looks like hoax.
I'm part of the German division of the Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy.
That makes me a Jew, a Bolshevik and a German.
I think you're primarily German, like the one who developed Marxism.
Germans are traditionally prone to deception.
I think you're an ordinary German who tried to deceive me and others to justify your privileges over others.
Over the past year i've been in contact with people from all over the world, and i'll say that only the Germans i've been in contact with are trying to demonstrate their superiority over the other person without exception. They use deception, insults, sophistry, censorship and other tricks to create a virtual appearance of superiority over others. As my Jewish friends explained to me, it's a form of Chutzpe peculiar to Germans for last centuries. Germans usually try to show as fools anyone who disagrees with Deutsche Ordnung. Probably, they try to declare that their Social Darwiinist values are a sign of the übermenschliche intelligenz.
Looks like you're no different than your fellow countrymen, @(((Till)))

This guy has a really impressive google-fu, is hard worker and impassionate. I think it's a waste of a brain he's that close-minded

@WeirdWolf**
This guy has a really impressive google-fu, is hard worker and impassionate. I think it's a waste of a brain he's that close-minded
Till? I think he is primarily German. Faithful son of his fatherland.

only the Germans i’ve been in contact with are trying to demonstrate their superiority over the other person without exception. They use deception, insults, sophistry, censorship and other tricks to create a virtual appearance of superiority over others.
Do you mean, they want to prove, that they personally are superior (I don't have to prove that anymore, I already have a certificate that says so) or do you mean, they want to prove the superiority of Germans in general (I don't believe that. social Darwinism is just a shitload of brainfuck to justify things, that are not believably justifiable otherwise)?
Germans usually try to show as fools anyone who disagrees with Deutsche Ordnung.
The "Deutsche Ordnung" is also nothing but a construct. It will vanish soon, when we implement the New World Order.

@(((Till)))
Do you mean, they want to prove, that they personally are superior (I don't have to prove that anymore, I already have a certificate that says so) or do you mean, they want to prove the superiority of Germans in general (I don't believe that. social Darwinism is just a shitload of brainfuck to justify things, that are not believably justifiable otherwise)?
They want to prove, that they personally are superior.
They do not try to prove the superiority of Germans in general - because it is forbidden after WWII (after failed attempt of invasion of USSR).

It should also be taken into account that British aristocrats (as well as most other Western aristocrats of current time) are German feudals.
The name was changed from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to the English Windsor (from Windsor Castle[1]) in 1917
Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:44:22 +0300
In 1940, the Germans occupied British territory in Europe - the Channel Islands off the coast of France. And...
During the occupation, not a single shot was fired - there were not a single guerrilla on the islands for 66 thousand Englishmen. Not a single German soldier was killed or even wounded.

В 1940 году немцы оккупировали британскую территорию в Европе — Нормандские острова у побережья Франции. И...
За время оккупации не прозвучал ни один выстрел — на 66 тысяч англичан на островах не нашлось ни одного партизана. Ни один немецкий солдат не был убит или даже ранен.

No one went out to fight on the fields and streets. Courts worked, but according to the laws of the Third Reich, the British police continued to serve on the streets - only paid them in Reichsmarks. Cinema and theatres worked. The British did not moan from oppression. Volunteer detachments guarded the airfields from where the planes took off to bomb London. Everyone was sure that London would fall. Despite the beautiful speeches of Churchill.

Никто не вышел сражаться на поля и улицы. Работали суды, но по законам Третьего рейха, британская полиция продолжала нести службу на улицах — только платили им уже в рейхсмарках. Работали кино и театры. Англичане не стонали от угнетения. Добровольческие отряды охраняли аэродромы, откуда взлетали самолёты бомбить Лондон. Все были уверены, что Лондон падёт. Несмотря на красивые речи Черчилля.
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"Resistance? What resistance? - the British writer Madeleine Bunting, who wrote a book on the occupation in the nineties, was surprised to ask the islanders and asked many eyewitnesses about it. 570 people were sent to concentration camps in Europe - among them three Jews, three Communists, the rest "for criminal offences" ("pickpockets", violation of curfews, theft of food from warehouses), 22 did not return.

«Сопротивление? Какое сопротивление?» — с удивлением спрашивали островитяне британскую писательницу Мадлен Бантинг, в девяностые написавшую книгу об оккупации, и опросившую для этого многих очевидцев. 570 человек были отправлены в концлагеря в Европу — среди них было трое евреев, три коммуниста, остальные — «за уголовные преступления» («карманники», нарушение комендантского часа, кража еды со складов), 22 не вернулись назад.

On the islands there were 4 concentration camps for prisoners of war (mainly from the USSR), who were building military fortifications. 700 people died and were buried on the island. As is evident from the case of the old lady, they were sometimes hidden and fed, but in general, such manifestations of kindness were an exception. The islanders did not want to quarrel with the Germans and did not want to get into trouble. "But they were sympathetic to the prisoners," says the historian. Of course, it made prisoners feel much better.

На островах было 4 концлагеря для военнопленных (в основном из СССР), которые строили военные укрепления. 700 человек погибло и похоронены на острове. Как явствует из случая со старой леди, иногда их прятали и кормили, но в целом подобные проявления доброты были единичны. Островитяне не хотели ссориться с немцами, и не хотели ввязываться в проблемы. «Но относились к пленным с сочувствием», как пишет историк. Пленным от этого, конечно же, становилось намного лучше.
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For comparison, the photo of the German occupation of Minsk, October 26, 1941:
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Для сравнения фото немецкой оккупации Минска, 26 октября 1941 года.
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#comparison #cryptocolonialism #documents #europe #germany #history #humanism #memory #revision #uk #war

@ivan zlax the tendency to delusions of grandeur of the Germans comes from the combinations of the universal truth that if you can express an idea, and be understood in German, then it will come true in at least one possible world, and the necessary incapacity for German–speakers past a threshold of eloquence to recognize this world–making power, since they are the vectors for this condition, to come to self–consciousness without degenerating into human power–hunger struggles or geni–farming (which needs no explanation), requires the humility and care of a world at peace. Once the Germanspeakers recognize their superfluid world–making power, then they will likely start in–fighting or band together to make the world turn, which loses their power since they then become objects of attention rather than discourse. So we have to keep a cool head when speaking German. One wrong word and we awake the beast. A lifetime of rightly chosen German words and we could have paradise on earth. At this juncture we have to be careful about the generations of shame lumped on, as retaliation at this point in the healing from a war is historically likely, and English is the language of the enemy. I hate being the enemy, and don’t like the native sense that I benefitted just because I was born on the winning side, but that’s how i get taken. By the way, this superfluous comment‘s fantasy could also be used for any language, but what I like about German is that the words seem more weighty than English. doing my due diligence in reading the philosophy and using the terms passed down by it makes me feel like people listen differently than in English, hence the above mentioned fantasy, which could be applied to any language.

@ahimsa
I was born on the winning side, but that’s how i get taken.
Were you born in the USSR?

Bild/FotoThéophile wrote the following post Sat, 11 May 2019 10:52:56 +0300

sondage : quel pays a le plus contribué à vaincre l'Allemagne nazie en 1945
source : IFOP




#sondage #USA #URSS #Russie #LesCrises
https://www.les-crises.fr/the-successful-70-year-campaign-to-convince-people-the-usa-and-not-the-ussr-beat-hitler/
#allemagne #germany #hoax #metaprogramming #nazi #uk #usa #ussr

Oh, you must mean you were born where the public relations were invented and where many of Nazis was hidden.

Bild/Fotoivan zlax wrote the following post Sat, 11 May 2019 11:35:40 +0300

https://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-history-the-u-s-supported-and-inspired-the-nazis/5439236
Secret History: The U.S. Supported and Inspired the Nazis

https://ips-dc.org/the_cias_worst-kept_secret_newly_declassified_files_confirm_united_states_collaboration_with_nazis/
The CIA’s Worst-Kept Secret: Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis

http://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/
More Americans Supported Hitler Than You May Think. Here's Why One Expert Thinks That History Isn't Better Known

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

Correction: I was born on the self-profiting side.

@ivan zlax I love the way you link to sources, it's the kind of material I would expect attached to a meme about science. Do you use a program or do you just have a superpowered memory. Also, now I wonder if Kubrick knew and if that's why HAL was I-1 B-1 M-1 and the evil...

@ivan zlax
А зачем тогда участвуешь в продвижении этой технологии, используя методы тех, кто хочет сделать её обязательной?
Иван, вообще-то это вполне себе общеупотребительные методы, на которые неолибералы монополии не имеют. Уж какие тезисы - такие и ответы. Особенно первая же ссылка порадовала (с Биллом Гейтсом). По остальным ссылкам - дело не в самих ссылках, а в их употреблении здесь.

За остальным - просто перечитай эту тему и ответы будут очевидны.

@ahimsa
Correction: I was born on the self-profiting side.
Addition, about public relations invention:
https://youtu.be/DnPmg0R1M04?t=481
Do you use a program or do you just have a superpowered memory.
There my sources:
https://is3.soundragon.su/131
https://is3.soundragon.su/110
Also, now I wonder if Kubrick knew and if that's why HAL was I-1 B-1 M-1 and the evil...
He had knowledgeable consultants:

I would recommend that youtube link to the Adam Curtis film to anyone born.

Of course vaccines work. If they didn't then we wouldn't be in a population crisis.

@spacemagick@poddery.com It’s no coincidence that most of those who are obsessed with population growth are post-reproductive wealthy white men: it’s about the only environmental issue for which they can’t be blamed.. We might not have a population crisis...if consciousness is a natural phenomenon, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the sentient entities could, given enough of them, actually work as general natural sensors for the ecosystems? Maybe we don't have enough people/traditions of permaculture in action.

Maybe we don’t have enough people/traditions of permaculture in action.
1990 - Village in the US - looks like it's all about transmission of knowledge ..
https://youtu.be/urrWiQ9gcvs?list=PL6khClTIWa6vaeri7qlLN91_iVEyWnn3d&t=980

And yes in face of a consumerist society that pretends to bring the highest living standard to every one we do have a "population crisis", even if it's mostly because of more and better food adn not because of vaccines ..

@ahimsa
It’s no coincidence that most of those who are obsessed with population growth are post-reproductive wealthy white men: it’s about the only environmental issue for which they can’t be blamed.
I've been communicating with people from all over the world in decentralized networks for a year now. None of the Westerners want to reduce parental inherited levels of consumption. All Westerners only want to reduce the population in order to maintain the usual level of consumption.

@Alexander
Иван, вообще-то это вполне себе общеупотребительные методы, на которые неолибералы монополии не имеют. Уж какие тезисы - такие и ответы. Особенно первая же ссылка порадовала (с Биллом Гейтсом). По остальным ссылкам - дело не в самих ссылках, а в их употреблении здесь. За остальным - просто перечитай эту тему и ответы будут очевидны.
Перечитал. Конкретного ответа от тебя не увидел. Только какие-то виляния. Из этого прихожу к выводу, что ты просто capital boy, не несущий ответственности за свои слова. А в тред пришёл продемонстрировать свой уровень empowerment, пытаясь порадовать, своим петросянством на тему депопуляции и стерилизации, более высокоранговых capitalостов. Пришёл к таким выводам исключительно из-за твоих попыток высокоинтеллектуальной иронии над каким-то замкадышем.
Если я ошибаюсь - прошу всё же сформулировать конкретный ответ на ранее заданный тебе вопрос. Если же моя модель для описания твоих намерений тебя устраивает - можешь не утруждать себя быть ответственным перед какой-то замкадной деревенщиной.